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 Post subject: Re: 7th Story CD - Märchen discussion thread
PostPosted: Sun Feb 05, 2012 7:50 pm 
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Elisabeth was (and is) one of the most popular names according to this site - http://www.beliebte-vornamen.de/760-alle_jahre.htm

Actually, her brother seems to know too, considering his words before he ordered to crucify the poor girl. I have no clue how did HE know, but I guess Walter really could tell her the whole story, for he seems to know everything better than anyone =)

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 Post subject: Re: 7th Story CD - Märchen discussion thread
PostPosted: Sun Feb 05, 2012 7:51 pm 
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Well his brother had to know, he is pretending to be her father after all. The whole scheme would be pretty useless if he did not know. :)

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 Post subject: Re: 7th Story CD - Märchen discussion thread
PostPosted: Sun Feb 05, 2012 8:04 pm 
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The court could have some "open secrets" every now and then. After all, Elisabeth was assigned much as a daughter to be married off; I'd assume if she had little to do with the throne and would even enforce the family with marriage, the secret could have been kept down as "rumour". The brother did know of Elisabeth's identity anyway - Sophie or Walter slipped their tongue, or the whole family was no stranger to that fact and they simply ignored it for the sake of Sophie's "sanity".

Sophie was overeager with the idea that Elisabeth was her child, so it would suggest Elisabeth might have been a convenient substitute of that ideal child in her mind. She had seen Elisabeth "so energetic till the day before", which could be told off as Sophie had quite a time being acquainted with Elisabeth, denoting Sophie and Anneliese should have lived close to each other enough (married to the same family, for example).

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 Post subject: Re: 7th Story CD - Märchen discussion thread
PostPosted: Mon Feb 06, 2012 7:20 am 
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sutare wrote:
As for von Sachsen, yes, the region you mentioned is Saxony, and it was ruled by von Wettin at some point. But what would be the meaning for Elisabeth to differ those two "vons" in her song?..


"Not《A Noble Lady》[von Wettin], nor《The Daughter of the 7th Elector》[von Sachsen], I am 《just a girl》[Elisabeth]"

The first one emphasizes her noble birth, perhaps highlighting her "true origins", while the latter emphasizes who she grew up as and the expectations that come with it (specifically to be married off).

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 Post subject: Re: 7th Story CD - Märchen discussion thread
PostPosted: Mon Feb 06, 2012 12:15 pm 
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Ah, I see. Sorry for being so slow ._.

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 Post subject: Re: 7th Story CD - Märchen discussion thread
PostPosted: Tue Feb 07, 2012 5:58 am 
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Don't worry about it. On the surface, they do seem to essentially be the same, but there has to be reason for the alternate readings given to the words, so it does take a bit of looking into and questioning why.

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 Post subject: Re: 7th Story CD - Märchen discussion thread
PostPosted: Thu Mar 08, 2012 1:43 am 
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Hello ^^ I want to ask a question (which might have been answered / covered in the previous pages):

Around the time of Ido e Itaru Mori e Itaru Ido, do you think the Black Plague have reached the area around Thuringen?

I'm asking this because I'm trying to figure out the reason März oh-so-easily lets himself guiding Tom and Hans to meet his mother. He might be naively thinking "these men needs help and I would gladly help them!" without having second thoughts. Or he might be thinking wisely like "these men looks like plague doctors. Maybe they need Mutti's advise / other medical-related reasons goes here. I guess it's okay to bring them along".

I personally wanted to use the second one. The thing is, if the plague hadn't reach Thuringen / the surrounding area, then I think März wouldn't have known about the plague doctor typical appearance. Then again, he could've known about these doctors through maybe books or Therese's stories or something else...

So, yeah... please give me straight facts? Thank you ^^

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 Post subject: Re: 7th Story CD - Märchen discussion thread
PostPosted: Fri Mar 09, 2012 6:17 am 
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Considering that the plague doctor outfits were already in use, I'd say the plague had already spread, yes. Whether or not it had reached Thuringen, I can't exactly say, but judging from the dialogue by Tom and Hans...

“We have some business with the wise woman.” “Can you accompany us to her side?”

It seems as though they used this excuse to get close to Therese, so I wouldn't be sure what März would have thought, or if he would have given their motives any thought. (There might also be that issue about März's poor eyesight according to some theories...)

Sorry, I don't seem to have answered this directly, either. The timeline is a little crazy in IdoIdo and Märchen, so I can't offer any solid proof, but I do think it had spread to Thuringen about then, since the plague did spread very quickly. If anyone has any added proof or other opinions, please go ahead. \o

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 Post subject: Re: 7th Story CD - Märchen discussion thread
PostPosted: Sat Mar 10, 2012 5:47 pm 
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Well, according to what Marchen sings about Marz, he was just a kind boy and simply lead them to his mother. What I mean is... Well, you know, if some random person comes to you in the street and asks you the way to go to some place, you would most likely answer him. By a happy coinsidence Marz was going the same way they wanted to, thus he agreed to lead them

Other thing is that we know that Therese is told to be "a witch of Thuringen", but we're not sure if the action takes place in Thuringen.
It would be quite logical to guess that they live not too far from von Wettin castle, which is in Saxony-Anhalt, a state which is situated to the North from Thuringen. Though, that doesn't really matter, as you mentioned "and the surrounding area".
It was also believed for quite a long time that it was Therese who started the plague by her curse, but that was never confirmed. Moreover, the one believed to be strongly connected to the event is Idoko.
But then again, as Layla-san mentioned above, Marchen's timeline is simply crazy, and one can never be sure "what happened when" =)

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 Post subject: Re: 7th Story CD - Märchen discussion thread
PostPosted: Fri Mar 16, 2012 6:37 am 
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sutare wrote:
Well, according to what Marchen sings about Marz, he was just a kind boy and simply lead them to his mother. What I mean is... Well, you know, if some random person comes to you in the street and asks you the way to go to some place, you would most likely answer him. By a happy coinsidence Marz was going the same way they wanted to, thus he agreed to lead them


... ah. I forgot that März is still pretty young orz

Thank you for the confirmation and additional information ^^

Oh, and one more thing... in the concert, it is illustrated that he's "pushed/kicked into the well" by Hans, but... considering that they are in the house, it makes me thinking that the well is in the house. Do you think this is really the case, or it's a mere illustration?

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